Part 7 on the nature of comments attacking violent games…

Posted: July 10, 2011 in Uncategorized
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I am continuing my study into the nature of comments attacking violent games on articles in newspaper sites online. By definition the comments must fit these categories to be considered ‘attacking violent games’…

A) Spread lies about violent games

A2) Making up new lies about violent games .

B) Call for games to be banned outright

C) Call for games to be restricted to adults

D) Enforce negative gamer stereotypes

D2) Shows dislike, hate, or a grudge towards gamers.

E) A Bias towards gaming, such that the person commenting thinks games don’t deserve 1st amendment

protection,  the industry is marketing “trash” to my kids, etc.

F) Not sure what violence effects on kids are a restriction might be in order…

G) Attacking the ESRB due to some flawed thing like the FTC study or the fact ‘my 9 year old’ could get bulletstorm.

H) Wants violent game manufacturers sued or games boycotted.

The Previous 6 parts of the study found that, out of 77 comments, 57% were spreading lies about violent games, 31% had a clear bias towards violent games, 7% wanted violent games banned, or violent game makers sued, and 4% wanted violent games restricted to adults.

Newest article to survey comments in is this one which happens to be filled with lies and BS about violent, generalizing all violent games as uber gory… talking about the “dismembering, bondage, decapitation” in violent games, even though no violent games have bondage…. What’s next child molestation?

1 Comment of type A) Spreading lies about violent games – said that ‘violence is being sold to kids’ and the SCOTUS decision was designed to allow this phantom “selling violence to kids”.

1 Comment of type A) Alluding to the violent games (called “videos”) where “you slice naked women into pieces” and how they are being sold to kids or marketed to kids. more BS.

Also of type A2) Making up new lies about violent games. No games allow you to slice up a naked women.

1 Comment of type A) Spreading lies about violent games – saying violent games are recruitment tools…

1 Comment of type A) Spreading lies about violent games – says violent games make kids aggressive

also of type E) Bias towards games – says they are “garbage”.

1 Comment of type A) Spread lies about violent games – says they are recruitment tools.

1 Comment of type D) Bias towards gamers – says the ‘battle’ is lost when society wants to watch violent video games.

1 comment of type A) Spreads lies about violent games – says there is “so much scientific evidence” that violent games cause harm.

1 comment of type A) Spreads lies about violent games – says “violent games are linked to aggression”.

1 Comment of type A2) makes up new lies about violent games –  I quote

“But the videos in question, which the court ruled that kids can see, allows them to virtually stalk, beat, rape, and defile virtual women in a range of perverse and degrading ways. That is purely sick”

THERE ARE NO GAMES THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO THESE THINGS….

1 comment of type A) Spreads lies about violent games – calls “mortal kombat” torture porn, and violent games “trash”. Blah-Blah-Blah….

1 Comment of type E) Bias towards games – I quote
“It’s offensive and embarrassing the Supreme Court will afford murder in all its contexts—self-defense, revenge, military mission, zombie killer, mobster—and variety–disembowelment, decapitation, abassination, guns, chainsaws—more protection that sex.”

Most of these things aren’t even murder…… Only assassination, mobster are… The rest are either military combat, “self-defense”, or combat…. how is “zombie killer” murder? Idiots like this astound me. Especially when they bring up disembowelment, and and decapitation, which are rare in most violent games!

1 Comment of type A) Spreads lies about games – cites “research showing the violent games are more harmful to kids than sex”.

1 Comment of type A2)/G) Makes up a new lie saying ESRB purposely rates games wrong to increase sales, says MPAA does the same thing.

1 Comment of type A)/A2)/D2)/E) Just read the quote:

“Generally, video games are pointless.
When you add sex and or violence to the game, it is no longer pointless.
When you fill the mind of a child with music, he learns to love music, and may become a musician.
So is true of fine literature…
It stands to reason, that if you fill the mind of a child with sex and violence (especially when you rate it MATURE… It becomes forbidden fruit)… He or she will learn to love, and ACCEPT violence, and violent sex, as a NORM!
In my opinion:
Having something labeled as a GAME, attracts kids…
Video Games are a bad enough, form of entertainment for children…
When you create and sell REALISTIC video GAMES, that portray any LIFE… AS EXPENDABLE…
And reward the participant, for DEVIANT BEHAVIOR…
You are going to CREATE A GENERATION OF SOCIOPATHS!”

1 comment of type A) part spreads likes – says labeling it a game attracts kids – implying violent games are marketed to kids

Says “realistic video games” portray any life as expendable. Hello! Most of these games are about as realistic as your claim that you create a generation of sociopath. Yet another bullshit statement that people who play violent games are sociopath. This statement shows a huge bias towards games and gamers and a HATE towards gamers as well.

1 Comment of type A) Spreads lies about violent games – generalizes violent games as games that have “torture, maiming and murder”.

1 Comment of type A) Spreads lies about violent games, says that violent games teach kids how to disembowel people… Sigh…

1 comment of type A) Spreads lies about violent games – says they are raising a generation who “think it’s a sport to dismember people”….

1 Comment of type A) Spreads lies about violent games – I quote:

“These violent video games , on the other hand, are ‘active’ and ‘participatory’! Why should anyone, of any age, find pleasure in ‘virtually’ practicing all manner of depravity? Does the word ‘devolution’ strike a familiar note?.”

Claims in games you practice “all manners of depravity”.

Also of type D) Bias towards gamers/enforcing negative gamers stereotypes – says that we are “devolved”…..

1 Comment of type A) Implies violent games are “recruitment tools”. This is the third time I’ve heard this crap about gamers wanting to be soldiers just because they play violent games.

1 Comment of type A) Spreads lies about violent games – says they “desensitize” people. Also implies they break down the inhibition to kill.

1 Comment of type A) Spreads lies about violent games – generalizes violent games as “rape simulators”.

1 Comment of type A) Spreads lies about violent games – say they reward criminal activity, “maiming,torture,etc” and cause people to be psychopaths. Generalizes all violent games as the gangster sim’s GTA is saying you never play the good guy… Also generalizes the whole “they reward violent activity”….

1 Comment of type A) Spreads lies about games – generalizes all violent games as games where the player chooses to “decapitate, dismember, blow up or otherwise mutilate and destroy his victim.”

1 Comment of type E) Bias towards games – Says the SCOTUS decision allows children to play such “hideously violent “games””. Note how it puts “games” in quotes like they are all murder simulators to him. He also makes it quite clear that he is a right wing family group moron.

1 Comment of type G) Attacking the ESRB saying that the ratings system isn’t enforced in “Libraries”… Saying that’s the reason the ratings system doesn’t work..Based on ONE library allowing kids to rent mature games.

Results:

Out of all 97 comments in parts 1-7, 64 are spreading lies about violent games. That’s 65%

Out of 97 comments in parts 1-7, 26 have clear bias towards violent games, violent gaming companies, or the industry. That’s 26%

Out of 97 comments, 5 wanted violent games banned, and 5 more wanted the companies that make these game sued. that’s dropped to 5% for each.  3% wanted violent games restricted to adults.

Out of 97 comments, 7 made up totally new lies about violent games. that’s 7%. It’s small but still significant that this is happening.

Out of 97 comments, 4 enforced negative gamer stereotypes.  (4%)

Out of 97 comments,  4 showed a clear hate or dislike towards gamers. (4%).

The last 2 expected a lot more of….. In earlier articles, the comments showing a clear hate or dislike towards gamers was higher, and comments spreading negative gamer stereotypes was more common than this….

This will be the last part of the study.  97 Comments is plenty to me, and I don’t need to go any further looking for new articles to find similar comments. Now If I find another article with comments like these, I will certainly attack the users commenting…. But for now this is good enough to show a trend.

The big thing to me is the spread of media lies. 65% of 97 of the comments were spreading these lies. The ones spreading the whole “violent games break down the inhibition to kill” is 7 out of 64, not as high as in other parts of the study (only 10%). But still it’s significant to see the people spreading this lie after downright believing this nonsense spread by the psychologists on talk shows around april 1999.  The comments that allude to the ‘fact’ that violent games are recruitment tools for the US Military, is huge in this article. I never saw them until this one, and 3 out of 25 spread this lie. There is no way that the Military is using anything other than “America’s Army” series of games to recruit people into the military. Anyone who generalizes violent games as recruitment tolls is idiotic. Those “America’s Army” games are the only violent games, that are specifically designed to recruit people. Period!

I can tell you that after playing FPS games since I was 13, I have no desire to join any armed services branch. The whole basic training thing gets me. It’s brainwashing to make people follow ‘lawful orders’ without thinking. It uses dehumanization to do this. I am defiant in my opposition to ANY institution that glorifies dehumanization in order to control people.  Just because someone plays violent games that your main playable character is a soldier, doesn’t mean they will want to join the Military. I sure as hell do not.

The other thing I would like to bring up is the idiots online calling gamers sociopaths. The blanket discrimination of our kind was clear as day in the post that I quoted… Let me quote it again..

“Generally, video games are pointless.
When you add sex and or violence to the game, it is no longer pointless.
When you fill the mind of a child with music, he learns to love music, and may become a musician.
So is true of fine literature…
It stands to reason, that if you fill the mind of a child with sex and violence (especially when you rate it MATURE… It becomes forbidden fruit)… He or she will learn to love, and ACCEPT violence, and violent sex, as a NORM!
In my opinion:
Having something labeled as a GAME, attracts kids…
Video Games are a bad enough, form of entertainment for children…
When you create and sell REALISTIC video GAMES, that portray any LIFE… AS EXPENDABLE…
And reward the participant, for DEVIANT BEHAVIOR…
You are going to CREATE A GENERATION OF SOCIOPATHS!”

First of all this idiot stereotypes all violent games as “realistic” when fewer than 30% can be considered realistic enough to train “kids to kill” due to the lack of  iron sights, realistic recoil, real firearms, kickback, etc. Also stereotypes the whole genre as “rewarding deviant behavior” and calls all gamers “SOCIOPATHS!”….. Not the first person I’ve read to call gamers that. What’s next…. Paedophiles? Baby rapers?

What’s weird, is that on 2 occasions Something I parodied the anti-gamers as saying in various Doom Mod’s parodying the whole debate, turned out to be something they would actually say later. Remember the bulletstorm controversy over the game being a “rape simulator”? Well…. I suspected that the anti-gamers would stop making up lies about violence and graduate to rape, to make games promote violence towards women. The amount of comments I saw in this article stereotyping all violent games are games where violence towards women is portrayed and rewarded, is idiotic. But even worse, on my parody of violent game attackers, one called “STALKER : Shadow of Chernobyl” a stalking simulator merely due to it’s name…. But now the anti-gamers are really whining about violent games where stalking is actually permitted. They are whining about nothing, because I know of NO game that is a “stalking simulator”. Are they misinterpreting the game “STALKER”? Merely due to it’s name?

Lies that are made up from the blue seem to be getting more popular in the last few articles. These lies are brand new, and are being spread by commenters. They are not from various news articles, or psychologists. These ones are troubling. Who would gain from complete nonsense being spread about a violent game by people who knowingly spread these lies that they know are not true? If you make up a total nonsense claim about a violent game you know you haven’t heard before, you have to know it’s a lie… Right? So who would gain?

Do anti-gamers sign up under fake names and spread more lies?

I can’t say. But these lies seem to hint at that. These aren’t the things I have heard from the so-called “experts” on media violence. These are totally new to me….  And they are false… But…  Do we really have a generation of libeling right wing anti-violent games groups hiring members to sign up with fake names to make up BS claims about violent games and post them in comments? I think we do. But I can’t prove it. But if they ARE doing this… It is VERY alarming… I will keep track of these lies that seem to be made up by commenters to see if others repeat them in other articles. I have an idea to see how many people are gullible enough to believe nonsense that is spread. More on it later….

The other thing that surprises me is the low total of comments that either enforce negative gamer stereotypes or show dislike, or hate towards gamers. After hearing various “violent game experts” maliciously, and repeatedly equate gamers to the scum of the earth, or “sociopath’s”, or “druggies”, etc… I have been expecting to see more comments of the like from people who obviously believe these “experts” and will repeat the nonsense they said. I Don’t see as much as I expected. It’s a good thing. I’ll say. Now most gamers I know from the internet are idiotic. There is a LOT of immaturity in this group. I will be the first to admit. But Immaturity does not mean that all gamers should be called druggies, school shooters, “gamer shitheads”, or sociopaths.

The study is done. The results are a surprise. The media lies issue is clearly a big one. I wasn’t expecting this amount of comments to be enforcing the lies. I knew some would. But 65%. That’s huge…. It’s an issue. I will recording parts of a radio show that will be split into many parts for youtube tonight. It will bring up ideas to stop the spread of the lies. And a blog post will follow up with these ideas…. It’s a serious concern to see how many people are repeating misconceptions, outright fabrications, etc, of the nature of violence in games… I know it’s pretty small sample size. But articles like these that show these kinds of comments are rare. I usually see more comments attacking  the people who want to censor games than the gaming industry itself. And this is the first article in a week that has shown these comments. So finding more articles is something I really don’t want to go through. It’s stressing to have to total up all these %’s. I’m just going to leave it at this…. But more is to come in different areas, showing off the public’s misconceptions of the nature of violent games, gamers, the industry, the ESRB, etc.

Stay tuned…

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